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发表于 2011-10-29 14:38:31 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
QNH is used when you want to adjust your altimeter to a pressure level.

If you take your Airport diagram\ chart, you will see that there a field elevation. Field elevation is in relation to the the sea level. If your chart says the field elevation is 980 ft ..you are actually at 980 feet above sea level. This makes sense, since you can't be at 980 ft above ground ...while being on the ground ..lool.

Now with the QNH, if on your Altimeter you put in the right altimeter setting you will have 980 feet indicated on your altimeter. Which corresponds to your altimeter setting.

Now when you are flying, when you get above 18 000 ft .... your altitude is no longer reported as altitude but as Flight Level. FL 200 corresponds to 20 000 ft.

When you fly above 18 000 ft , you change your altimeter setting to 29.92 .... why ?

Because 29.92 has been stated as being the pressure in the standard atmosphere, which says that at Sea Level in the standard atmosphere the pressure is of 29,92 Hg and the temperature is 15 degrees Celsius and the air cools down at 2degrees Celsius per 1000 ft.

Thing you have to remember is that whatever QNH you give in, it gives you your height above sea level and not ground !! this is why when you select Radar altimeter to be indicated on your HUD you will have a difference.

Now, why do we set an altimeter setting ? because the standard atmosphere that is used as a reference ... almost never exists. It is very rare actually that it will be 15 celsius at sea level with a pressure of 29.92.

Talking about pressure i mean here the force exerted by a column of air, this gives you the pressure that the air exercess above the ground or the altitude at which you are.

Cold Air is denser than Warm air. For a same quantity of Air, Cold air is heavier than warm air, it also means that cold air exercise more pressure than warm air.

This also means that the pressure of the air that you are going to have in warm air at 10 000 feet is not the same as the one you are going to have in cold air at 10 000 ft.

This means that for two different air Masses ... 10 000ft is not equal to the same QNH on your altimeter.

This is why you have to reset altimeter setting, before takeoff, during navigation below 18 000 ft, during descent\before landing ..to make sure we are not too low or too high.

Remember, above 18 000 ft, everybody has to set 29.92 as the QNH on his altimeter. You are going to tell me that it is not correct, but ... since everybody flies with the exact same "error" ... we are safe.

So again QNH = height above Sea level known as ASL.


NOw the QFE ... if you set that in in your altimeter ... it will indicate your altitude above the airport, so on the ground you will be at 0ft. But it is only useful for the airport ..for landing or taking of, and it only gives you your altitude above the airport ..not above the surrounding terrain .. like mountains. Because if you set in the QFE ..and fly towards a mountain ...even if you fly very low above it ... it will never get near to 0 ft ...this is again not your altitude above Ground, but above airport only ... and this is also why it is almost not used anymore.

I myself never used QFE, but it depends from the countries you fly in. In France they do not use it anymore, they do use QNH.

QNH is in Hg ... and QNE is the same but in hPa ( hectopascals) and since 1 hPa = 1 millibar ...you cans say both.

And 29.92 Hg is equivalent to 1013.2 hPa.

In Northern America we use Hg and in Europe they do use hPa. ....

So to resume it all:

QNH/QNE is the pressure level at which you fly that gives you an altitude. QNH/QNE varies with the Weather, ( low pressure, high pressure ).

QFE .... is not used anymore in the cicvil ..don't know about the military, but i don't think so ..because it is only useful above the airport.

In BMS4, you need to hit the T key twice for a menu to request QNH/QNE at the beginning of you approach.
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-29 14:39:14 | 显示全部楼层
让我想起了ICAO的高度表拨正程序~~
发表于 2011-10-29 15:07:32 | 显示全部楼层


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发表于 2011-10-29 16:35:36 | 显示全部楼层
起飞问QHN,降落问QFE…
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-29 18:54:55 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 LJQC 于 2011-10-29 18:59 编辑

尼玛我大一上航空专业课刚上到这个~~万恶的空中交通管理啊啊啊~~~回学校抄一段下来
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-29 18:58:21 | 显示全部楼层
QFE现在民航已经不用了~~有些军用机场还在用
发表于 2011-10-29 23:15:34 | 显示全部楼层
BMS的降落管理基本还得用QFE,所有机场都是千篇一律的降高到3000,再降高到2000,那么只能是场压了…

LJQC学得是空管?现在坐上ATC的位置了么?
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-30 09:07:30 | 显示全部楼层
foxwxl 发表于 2011-10-29 23:15
BMS的降落管理基本还得用QFE,所有机场都是千篇一律的降高到3000,再降高到2000,那么只能是场压了…

LJ ...

我刚大一
发表于 2011-10-30 09:11:35 | 显示全部楼层
LJQC 发表于 2011-10-30 09:07
我刚大一

那请问你什么专业呀?   南航的,北航的?还是什么学校的~~~
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-31 20:28:53 | 显示全部楼层
foxwxl 发表于 2011-10-29 16:35
起飞问QHN,降落问QFE…

给教材做个摘要,顺便当作复习哈哈,考试要考~~~

1.使用QFE的缺点:
(1)航图上注明的障碍物标高是指障碍物最高点距平均海平面的垂直距离,而不是距机场跑道的垂直距离,所以使用QFE不能给飞行员提供直观的超障参考
(2)因为高原机场的场压很低,多数飞机高度表的气压刻度窗无法调到这么低的气压值,所以在高原机场飞行无法使用QFE
(3)终端管制区负责本区内多个机场的航空器进、离场的管制工作,这些机场的标高差异导致场压不一致。如果进出这些机场的航空器使用各自起飞或目的地机场的场压作为高度表拨正值,则管制员无法根据不同的基准来判断这些飞机之间是否具备安全的垂直间隔。如果为了统一基准面而指定某个机场的场压值作为终端管制区内所有飞机的高度表拨正值,则对进出周围其他机场的航空器来说,更无优点可言,所以在终端区内不能使用QFE
(4)来自不同机场的飞机在航线上汇聚、交叉飞行,更不能使用各自的QFE
。。
2.在机场附近及终端区飞行使用QNH(修正海平面气压)拨正值;航线飞行阶段使用QNE(标准气压)拨正值

还有,上文也提到了一个过渡高度(作者说是18000 ft)~~穿越过渡高度时,航空器立即将高度表的气压刻度调整到标准气压

在空军AFMAN11的217号条例中的15.6条:ICAO Altimeter Setting Procedures中描述的设置方法跟民航都差不多~~~因为都是ICAO的哈哈
 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-31 20:30:10 | 显示全部楼层
2010123 发表于 2011-10-30 09:11
那请问你什么专业呀?   南航的,北航的?还是什么学校的~~~

上海的某XX学校,肯定是比不过南航北航的哈哈~
发表于 2011-11-1 00:00:53 | 显示全部楼层
LJQC 发表于 2011-10-31 20:30
上海的某XX学校,肯定是比不过南航北航的哈哈~

可以透漏下专业 啊~~

发表于 2011-11-1 18:57:12 | 显示全部楼层
overstrain 发表于 2011-10-29 15:07

你的仪表怎么是蓝色的?
发表于 2011-11-1 21:31:59 | 显示全部楼层
飞鹰008 发表于 2011-11-1 18:57
你的仪表怎么是蓝色的?

你根据规范做一次冷启动就知道了,是仪表灯!
发表于 2011-11-2 10:32:35 | 显示全部楼层
overstrain 发表于 2011-11-1 21:31
你根据规范做一次冷启动就知道了,是仪表灯!

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