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[原创] 从对头到滚转剪刀——诠释狗斗的含义

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发表于 2009-12-29 22:03:39 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
按惯例,还是原作者简介:
Dan "Turk" Pentecost,最早一批的F-14飞行员之一,负责起草了F-14手册的格斗战术部分。与Hoser一同参与了AIM/ACE测试,是Hoser眼中的五大神杆之一。

原文发表于Tomcat Sunset论坛,3GO-204/Mutha编译


    “赢得一场狗斗”的意思是,你必须通过机动占据一个能够(用机炮或者格斗弹)射击对手,而对手无法还击的位置。这个最佳的位置显然是在对手的六点,并在你的武器射程之内。就我个人而言,我通常会在交汇的时候留出水平间隔来做领先转弯,不过在这里我们先不讨论这种情况,不然我们得在这儿花好几天的时间从对头一直扯到滚转剪刀。所以现在我们绕回开始的思路上来,考虑如何持续的向对手六点施压。请准备两个装在3英尺棍子上的飞机模型,这会让你更容易跟上思路。

    格斗与生活有一个类似之处,就是你必须搞清楚你有敌人的相对关系。我自己的判断标准是,如果我在它的3/9线(Wing Line)之后,并且转小于180度就能将机头指向它。那么我就在进攻并占据优势。如果情况相反,则我就在守势并处于劣势。这是一个重要的区别,在这两种态势下要做的事情是极为不同的。

    如果我处于攻势,那么我就必须呆在对手的转弯平面之外,直到我准备射击。因为一旦我处在它的转弯平面之中,那么我就不可避免的会超越它的飞行路线(之所以要避免超越是因为那样就很快会超前)。所以为保持始终处于进攻态势并最终能获得一个有效射击的机会,我必须避免进入敌机的转弯平面,直到我将其置于武器射程之内并准备好将机头指向它为止。(在进入他的转弯平面准备射击时)如果防守方始终是在朝你机动,那么这个射击机会的窗口是十分短暂的。一旦射击窗口关闭了,我就必须离开马上敌机的机动平面,并将我的升力矢量滞后于它的飞行路线(置于其3/9线之后),这样我才能维持足够的水平间隔并保持住优势。

    如果我处于守势,那么情况则完全相反,我必须不断机动来保持对手一直处于我的转弯平面内,直到迫使他超越我的飞行路线,然后在进入它的后半球。我通过将升力矢量持续指向对手,来保持它处于我的转弯平面之内。一旦它超越,那我就立刻将自己的升力矢量转至与它的转弯平面呈90度垂直,以脱离它的转弯平面,并进入它的后半球。

    在机动的整个过程中,我做的所有动作必须尽可能精确的对应于敌机的动作和位置。

    进攻方和防守方依照各自的需要做出机动,结果就是双方转弯平面的不断变化。如果双方从头到尾都没有犯任何错误,那么双方的升力矢量基本上始终的垂直的,而水平间隔则在不断减小。这时候,我们就进入了滚转剪刀。由于我们的推力都是有限的,我们不能保持机头始终高于地平线,这就导致我们会绕垂直于地面的轴滚转。两机的水平间隔会不断的减小,直到最终大家舱盖贴着舱盖的掉高度,连滚转的空间都没有。也没有一方能在另一方被干掉前脱离。

    而异型机对抗,尤其是能量机动特性有明显差异的机型,会改变上面的游戏规则,这与飞行员天赋上的微小差异是一样的。这二者都能决定战斗的胜负。诚然,全向格斗弹的出现以及飞机飞行性能的提升,不断地在削弱格斗中操作水平的重要性,但是,格斗水平永远是对战斗机飞行员灵魂最好的诠释,这是我们的一切。

[ 本帖最后由 Mutha 于 2009-12-31 15:57 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 22:04:48 | 显示全部楼层

原文,供参考

Before we had magic BB's, winning a dogfight meant maneuvering to a position from which you could shoot (Gun/Fox 2) your opponent, without being gunned back. The best position from which to do that is at his six o'clock, within weapons range. I almost went off on a tangent about lateral separation and lead turns at the merge, but decided to postpone that discussion, or we'll be here for days trying to write our way into a rolling scissors. So rewind back to what we were thinking about as we press toward his six. Two factory models on 3 ft sticks make this a lot easier than hands and wrist watches.

In a dog fight, as in life, I need to know where I am relative to the bandit. My rule is that if I'm behind his wing line, with less than 180 degrees to align my fuselage with his , I'm on the offense and winning. If the opposite is true, then I'm defensive and losing. That's an important distinction, because the two roles require doing something very different.


If I'm winning, then I need to stay out of his plane of turn until I'm ready for a shot. That's because anytime I'm in his plane of turn, it won't be long before I'll overshoot his flight path. (Don't want to overshoot because that means I'm about to be out front.) To stay on offense and get an effective shot I avoid being in the bandits plane of turn until I'm within weapons range and ready to briefly align my fuselage with his. If the defender is maneuvering relative to me, the window of opportunity for a shot opens only briefly. As the window closes, I move out of his plane of turn, with my lift vector aft of flight path, so I can maintain lateral separation and stay on offense, e.g., aft of his wing line.

If I'm defensive, the opposite is true; I need to maneuver to keep him in my plane of turn until I can force him to overshoot my flight path and move aft of his wing line. I try to keep him in my plane of turn by continuously pointing my lift vector at him. As soon as he overshoots, I point my lift vector 90 degrees away from his plane of turn and aft of his tail.


At all times throughout the maneuvering, everything I do has to be, as precisely as possible, relative to the bandit; relative to where he is and what he's doing. (Bushwacker said anything else was just a dozen eggs.)


The need for the attacker (offensive airplane) and the defender (the guy most out front) to maneuver as I described results in both airplanes constantly changing their planes of turn. If we're both doing the right thing at all times, our lift vectors are approximately perpendicular our lateral separation is decreasing. Now we're in a rolling scissors. Because our thrust is limited, we can't keep our noses above the horizon and we begin to roll around an axis perpendicular to the earth.The lateral separation between the airplanes continues to decrease until we're canopy to canopy and losing altitude, unable to roll independently of each other. Neither of us can quit with out giving the other guy a shot.


Flying dissimilar airplanes, with a significant difference in energy maneuverability, changes the game, as does a very slight difference in talent. Either can determine the outcome of the fight. The advent of all aspect missiles and continuing improvements in aerodynamic performance will continue to reduce the operational importance of dog fighting; but, it will always define the soul of the fighter pilot. It's what we're all about!

Hoser, Skoggs and Magic...you're cleared in hot!

Turk...Out!
发表于 2009-12-29 22:28:44 | 显示全部楼层
最后两句说到了点子上…嘿嘿
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-29 22:46:57 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 iceviper 于 2009-12-29 22:28 发表
最后两句说到了点子上…嘿嘿

咱们都是渣,都是渣~
发表于 2009-12-29 23:22:13 | 显示全部楼层
精辟啊!
发表于 2009-12-30 02:59:44 | 显示全部楼层
某老板名言曰:“顶多是个飞行爱好者,层次不够”,“不用我的模拟器验证一下”就是“一派胡扯”!

[ 本帖最后由 aceforever 于 2009-12-30 03:03 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-12-30 03:14:15 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 aceforever 于 2009-12-30 02:59 发表 某老板名言曰:“顶多是个飞行爱好者,层次不够”,“不用我的模拟器验证一下”就是“一派胡扯”!
淡定…你还有一个星期就解放了
发表于 2009-12-30 09:29:09 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 aceforever 于 2009-12-30 02:59 发表
某老板名言曰:“顶多是个飞行爱好者,层次不够”,“不用我的模拟器验证一下”就是“一派胡扯”!

你就跟老板说,“我叫我几个朋友都来用你的模拟器验证一下吧~~~”
发表于 2009-12-30 09:39:58 | 显示全部楼层
  收藏,召唤斑竹来高亮加精
发表于 2009-12-30 10:00:34 | 显示全部楼层
卧槽,脑袋和手一起抽筋了,如此好贴居然忘记高亮加精了。。。。。
发表于 2009-12-30 14:16:13 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 iceviper 于 2009-12-29 22:28 发表
最后两句说到了点子上…嘿嘿

同饺子,我们的飞行员怎么说不出类似的话咧?
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-30 14:20:45 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 铁鸟37 于 2009-12-30 14:16 发表

同饺子,我们的飞行员怎么说不出类似的话咧?

他们说的是……

安全是飞行工作的一切……
发表于 2009-12-30 15:30:02 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Mutha 于 2009-12-30 14:20 发表

他们说的是……

安全是飞行工作的一切……


他们说的是……

“怎么样哥们,老子上班清闲月薪过万美女天天换,你能跟我比吗?”
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-30 15:45:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 aceforever 于 2009-12-30 15:30 发表


他们说的是……

“怎么样哥们,老子上班清闲月薪过万美女天天换,你能跟我比吗?”

小心空军的FF喷死你……
发表于 2009-12-30 15:52:27 | 显示全部楼层
  据说飞飞执行任务前一段时间要禁欲?
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