一地鹰毛——1977年F-14与F-15的较量

aceforever

原帖由 zeeshine 于 2009-11-15 22:58 发表
哦，关掉引擎可以减小转弯半径对吧！

不可以。。。。。
影像转弯半径的只有你用的升力系数，也就是你的攻角

收油门可以加快你减速的过程

如果你的转弯速度超过角点速度，由于过载限制的原因，你不可能满攻角转弯，也就是说不可能取得最小转弯半径

如果你收油门尽快把速度减回角点速度，那么从这个点往下你都会处在满攻角状态，也就是说可以以最小转弯半径转弯。

但是当你的速度低过了角点速度，一直到左半包线稳定盘旋和瞬时盘旋线的交点，你所能获得的转弯半径与你转弯用的油门没有任何关系

F风

邪恶的一顶

Kenneth

好坟！重重顶之

bjjt122

iceviper 发表于 2009-11-11 22:11
想想吧，那人飞的时候全是12G飞的

关了空调和环控来加800到1K的推力....对头打MIKE时关车来让对方的AIM- ...

12G？

iceviper

bjjt122 发表于 2011-12-16 05:44
12G？

恩，不是瞬时的12G，是持续的

Kenneth

iceviper 发表于 2011-12-17 00:05
恩，不是瞬时的12G，是持续的

所以说这很恐怖啊……
机扎实，人更是扎实～
神一般的家伙

iceviper

Kenneth 发表于 2011-12-16 10:10
所以说这很恐怖啊……
机扎实，人更是扎实～
神一般的家伙

下面有204的原文。最高记录12.2G

为了干掉对手, What ever it takes.....

Kenneth

iceviper 发表于 2011-12-17 00:14
下面有204的原文。最高记录12.2G

为了干掉对手, What ever it takes.....

是不是可以意译成“不惜一切代价去干掉那只机”，哈哈～
佩服，惊叹，倾倒，其实我也不知道怎么准确形容出我的感受

bjjt122

iceviper 发表于 2011-12-17 00:05
恩，不是瞬时的12G，是持续的

战机最大设计过载才9-10个G。连续12个G有点悬。

iceviper

bjjt122 发表于 2011-12-16 10:26
战机最大设计过载才9-10个G。连续12个G有点悬。

你看看204后面的跟帖，有原文。

格鲁曼夫妇表示 it`s pilot limit.
"Hoser" provides: "At AIM/ACE, 'g' restrictions were not mentioned. "what ever it takes" was the unwritten rule. When the Turkey first hit the street, Mr. & Mrs. Grumman said it was pilot limited. The TACTS range recorded 12.2 g's symmetrical during a Guns 'D' break (mentioned way back [in the forum]).  

F风

bjjt122 发表于 2011-12-17 00:26
战机最大设计过载才9-10个G。连续12个G有点悬。

大哥，你不知道安全系数的感念吗，不超过安全系数设定的数值，一切都是安全的

F风

bjjt122 发表于 2011-12-17 00:26
战机最大设计过载才9-10个G。连续12个G有点悬。

这个是原帖
http://www.tomcat-sunset.org/forums/index.php?topic=2441.180

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Quote from: Hanscholo on September 24, 2007, 11:20:47 PMIs that maneuver also the one describe as his "Vorboshka"?
Hawk Smith talks about Hoser pulling that maneuver at AIMVAL/ACEVAL after he managed to sneak up on him and making the tomcat "disappear" in a vapor cloud and bleed off around 250 knots I'm guessing-Hoser managed to force an overshoot.

                      The "Vorboshka",,, Holy s--t  that brings back memories!
It is not a recommended maneuver,,,, combat necessity only. My RO Hill Billy got a sprained neck out of the deal and was out of the hunt for several days. At very high speeds,, as the bogey is just sweetening his guns solution, roll the a/c 90 degrees to bogeys lift vector, then put on a "MAX",,  I Mean "MAX" "g "   yank for bout 2 potatoes, then unload and roll 45 degrees back, stabilize,  yank a ,max 'g' in to the vertical. This will spit him out the bottom/ overshoot and usually end up neutral.  The vapor ball Monroe Hawk Smith describes was caused by the  initial 12.2 "g"s...      VR D-Hose  As previously reported the F-14 in question was thoroughly examined for signs of overstress=zero  The 12.2 'g's  was recorded on the TACTS range.     HaaaR!

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Quote from: JTCholis on March 10, 2008, 10:55:15 PMCan I run it on "Windows Media Player"   and pinch a copy...digitize it of course !
Where the hell is my reel to reel.

Actually, from what I hear, and I'm a dummy with such stuff, it could be taken to a GOOD camera place and put on a DVD.  It would come out similar quality to "Classic TOMCAT" films DVD with the likes of No Points for 2nd Place / ACEVAL AIMVAL.  But, THAT'S GOOOOOD STUFF"

But, then again, it's Hoser's History so it's his to do, or not to do with, as he sees fit.
Cheers
JT

BTW- The orginal film don't get destroyed in that process. And, it will last longer than the DVD will.  Over the frickin' next 200 or so years.  


As I remember, there are only 9 frames in a row that are on the Eagle's  kill zone.... this guy was moving the F-15 with such violence, it was difficult to get a tracking half second burst. Hill Billy was yelling, "shooot him, shooot him!!!" D-Hose sez, cain't steady the piper on him yet....... then when he had to be predictable to keep from smacking the desert....... Guns! (~350')  In the debrief, the hud TV/TVSU  Beta tape was played......his reply,, "how in the f--k did you track me through that?"   Unlike the no s--t 16mm gun film, the TVSU tracks the most significant contrast and the TVSU piper very slowly moved from his after burners to his white helmet and back. Of course the 16 mm gun film was sent to Grumman for processing cause the Airfarce photo lab would have confiscated it. Well, this guy being a very fine Eagle driver, 4 days later, D-Hose explains to him that what he saw was NOT the gun sight piper.Etc.....   However, he would be a movie star!!!!~    The Beta tape was a thing of beauty,, all ICS/UHF com with crystal clear black and white..     Lt.  Dick Grey, (U-Dog) had the Beta tape, was killed in a spin test at Edwards 2 yrs. later. Even though Turk, Fearless and D-Hose made a effort,,, the tape was not recovered.           VR  D-Hose          PS: Love to have the 16 mm film copied if not too big a hassle.        Yes,,,, D-Hose remembers the F-15 pilot's name but out of great respect for his prestigious demonstration of fighter pilot ability, "It is Classified".